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NC LISTEN meets with Renee Ellmers – she says citizens won’t work, calls us racist

Immigration Reformers and Concerned Citizens,

It took me months to setup a meeting in person with Congresswoman Renee Ellmers. The day of our meeting an email was sent after 10 am asking for us to move the meeting from Dunn to Asheboro. I was told by her assistant there was less seating in the Asheboro office so I said some of us can just stand, and I scrambled and contacted all ten attendees who were constituents, some already on their way to Dunn but we met in Asheboro. Congresswoman Ellmers already in Asheboro arrived 17 minutes late and said we had only until 4 pm (13 minutes) to speak with her. As she arrived she said only 3 persons could meet in her office, even though there were four chairs and plenty of standing room. I mentioned how we scrambled to meet her in Asheboro with her last minute change and all ten attendees are her constituents and her reply was, “I am in charge and only three can be in the meeting”, so the others had to wait in her small lobby just outside her office and to add insult to injury they closed the door on the 7 constituents.

I have arranged 11 group trips to Washington, DC over the last 12 years to meet with US House members and US Senators from North Carolina to discuss immigration reform, not to mention other trips I made to DC myself and local trips, so I have had a lot of experience meeting with members of Congress. Today’s meeting with Congresswoman Ellmers was the most contemptible meeting with a member of Congress I have taken part in. From the beginning she showed a sense of arrogance and disdain for meeting with us. If you heard the audio clip from the Laura Ingraham radio show of Laura interviewing Renee Ellmers, today was deja vu. When she wasn’t interrupting me she was constantly changing the subject, with a look of glee in her eye as if she thought she was being clever. I have studied immigration and immigration policies for nearly 20 years, and she was the most misinformed and uninformed member of Congress I have ever spoken with on the matter of immigration reform…..and that is saying something.

Just as Congresswoman Ellmers called Laura Ingraham ignorant during their interview, Congresswoman Ellmers went a few steps further by calling me ignorant, a racist, and dense during our meeting…….these insults were sprinkled through our discussion which was about immigration policies and her own statements about immigration reform. I refrained from any personal name calling. As we know, these kinds of insults are usually used by those who have weak arguments or are under the age of ten.
Below is a recap of some of the matters I tried to discuss as she attempted to change the subject approximately every 30 seconds. Our meeting eventually lasted about 40 minutes.
I stated that NC LISTEN believes we need real enforcement of our immigration laws first without any legal work permits for illegals nor an amnesty. Ellmers believes we must give legal work permits to illegal immigrants. She denied stating the following but in an op-ed piece in the Fayetteville Observer on January 18, 2014 she wrote, “only after this legal work status is obtained (by illegals) can they have the opportunity to begin the naturalization process”. The naturalization process is a path to citizenship. I pointed out again that she wrote this and she denied it again.
I asked her why she was for giving legal work permits to illegal immigrants when we have 20 million citizens in the USA who are either unemployed or are working part-time but want and cannot find a full-time job (also called the U-6 rate) and that the U-6 unemployment rate in North Carolina is near 14%. Even with her attempting to change the subject, I asked her repeatedly and she NEVER would answer that question.

Not once during our conversation did Ellmers ever say she was concerned or troubled by our high unemployment rate and how citizens are suffering……it was over and over about citizens won’t take jobs and why we had to allow illegal immigrants to “earn” legal work permits.
I mentioned the contacts I get in desperation from people who have lost their jobs to illegals, and she said in effect she didn’t believe me, but yet she believes cheap labor industries/companies who tell her they can’t find citizens who want to work. She went on and on about companies telling her citizens won’t work and I asked her, given the high real unemployment rate, if she believes most citizens are lazy or won’t take non-farm jobs and she dodged that question. Of course companies who want cheap labor are going to ask her to be weak on immigration enforcement. She said that since I was attacking some companies for hiring illegal immigrants, I had a grudge against businesses. I reminded her I worked for a high-tech company for 40 years, but I won’t stand by and watch citizens lose jobs to illegal immigrants. Again she was trying to play a game.

I was asked to provide ways to stop illegal immigration and I was interrupted repeatedly……she thinks we need to start all over with enforcement ideas. Of course we enforce few of our immigration laws, so it is enforcement that’s missing, not a lack of ideas.
The E-Verify system is but one of many steps but now it is only voluntary, but if Congress required all companies to use it and it was enforced, then it would protect most jobs for citizens……Ellmers said she was for it but wouldn’t discuss implementation and she doesn’t think it works. Of course today the companies who hire illegals won’t use E-Verify because it’s not mandatory and until it is required it won’t have near the effect.

As I pressed over and over why can’t we give real enforcement a chance as a first step…..she would go off on another tangent…..
After the meeting with Ellmers we all felt that she thinks she is invincible and feels she no longer needs to really listen to conservatives.
This might be in part because of the group, Americans for a Conservative Direction and FWD.us, significantly funded by Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook (has committed to spend $50 million on candidates this year to promote more foreign labor to the USA) and other cheap labor advocates paying for ads now running on the radio promoting Renee Ellmers. Zuckerberg has pledged to spend these big bucks to “sway” the election of candidates who support Comprehensive Immigration Reform (aka amnesty and large increases of foreign labor to the USA).
Please send this email to your friends and associates.

Regards,
Ron Woodard
Director
NC LISTEN
www.nclisten.com
(919) 460-8156

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Gang of eight US Senate bill 744, to give an Amnesty to illegals, must be allowed to die

US Senate bill 744 should be allowed to die and not be considered by the US House because it is bad policy for our nation and the bill is unfixable. Legalization for illegal immigrants will come before the enforcement. In fact the bill does NOT require our borders to be secure (94 waivers in the bill to discourage action), it does NOT require illegals to go to the back of the line in their home country, does NOT really require back taxes to be paid by illegals (under which of their aliases), does NOT have real triggers that require enforcement first, and the list goes on and on. Millions of illegal aliens will receive amnesty once DHS submits a plan to Congress detailing how they’ll secure the border. Just to clarify, they only have to show a plan; they don’t have to actually do it. Just like the border promises of 1986, these promises will likely be long forgotten after the amnesty is granted.

Concerning our two US Senators from North Carolina, Senator Richard Burr rightly voted against the bill but Senator Kay Hagan voted for S.744 to give an amnesty to illegal immigrants and also give them legal work permits while our unemployment rate in North Carolina is the fifth worse in the nation.

We now know S.744, the Gang of Eight US Senate Immigration bill, will allow nearly two million new immigrants to the USA each year for the next ten years (this does not count giving an amnesty which gives current illegal immigrants of 11-13 million a path to citizenship). Do any of the Gang of Eight (includes Sen Rubio and Sen Graham and Sen McCain) care at all about the more than 20 million Americans who are either unemployed or cannot find a full-time job? The Heritage Foundation recently presented a detailed report showing the net fiscal costs of this amnesty are $6.3 trillion (yes Trillion) over the lifetime of the 11-13 million illegals. Note this is the net cost, government public benefits over taxes that will be paid.

Even though the Gang’s plan calls for increased border security, it only calls for increases in areas where there are high numbers of illegal border crossings. I’m sure it won’t be too difficult for the sophisticated smugglers that have been evading detection for years to relocate their operations to another spot along the 3,000-mile border.

The plan calls for a 5-year implementation of E-Verify. We’re happy to see E-Verify included in the plan, but Rep. Lamar Smith’s bill in the last Congress rolled out the program in three years with most employers required to use it in the first 6 months. This slow of a phase-in will give ample time for more illegal workers to flood across the borders and secure jobs that could otherwise go to unemployed Americans (again 20 million Americans are either unemployed or want and cannot find a full-time job).

Plans call for completion of the entry/exit system (a positive step), however, it only covers completion at sea and air ports. Each day, thousands of foreign visitors enter the country using land ports at places like El Paso, Texas, San Diego, Calif., Buffalo, N.Y., and Detroit, Mich. None of these ports will be required to install the entry/exit system.

The criminal background checks under this bill are a sad joke, not to mention a serious threat to our homeland security. We don’t do adequate checks now on legal immigrants but we have the time and money to do background checks on 11-13 million illegal immigrants?

Again, S.744 should be allowed to die and NOT move forward.

Regards,

Ron Woodard
Director
NC LISTEN
(919) 460-8156
www.nclisten.com

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What Should Congress Do Concerning Immigration Reform?

First of all we must reject the Gang of Eight national immigration bill (S.744) as currently written. It is a replay of 1986 in which the US Congress granted an amnesty for illegal immigrants with only promises to control our borders and more promises to do real enforcement of our laws. The promises were not kept and there is no reason to trust Congress this time. The Gang of Eight bill actually increases legal immigration to two million immigrants each year when we have over 18 million citizens who are either unemployed or cannot find a full-time job. This is nothing less than ridiculous.

It is a both a right and responsibility of our government to manage immigration so that it serves the national interests of the USA, as eloquently spoken by the late Congresswoman Barbara Jordan and former Chairperson of the US Commission on Immigration Reform. Obviously we need to stop illegal immigration (steps to take on page 2), but we also need to reform legal immigration for our knowledge-based society and have it built upon very high skill-levels and advanced education with the exception of allowing a traditional number of refugees per year. Less legal immigration, almost exclusively based on very high skills and advanced education, would benefit the USA. The key point is advanced skills and education, the smartest of the smart. Outside of some small shortages of STEM workers in spots around the nation, there is no shortage of college educated workers in the USA. One can look at statistics as real proof. And we have over sixteen million citizens who are either unemployed or cannot find a full-time job. In the past we have had too much unskilled legal immigration and illegal immigration. Mass illegal immigration in particular has caused an increase in unemployment and driven down wages for low-skilled citizens and created more poverty. Among the top legal immigrant sending countries of legal immigrants, welfare is the highest for households headed by immigrants from Mexico (57%), Guatemala (55%), and the Dominican Republic (54%).

Should we consider a pathway to citizenship (amnesty in reality) for illegal immigrants? Robert Rector, a senior research fellow of the Heritage Foundation, says legalization of illegal immigrants will cost more than six trillion dollars net over their lifetime for the total public benefits they will be entitled to receive minus taxes paid. How will we really determine the amount of “back taxes” owed by illegal immigrants to the federal government…..under which illegal immigrant’s fake name? How much will this analysis cost the taxpayers? How do we do an effective background check since again illegals have so many aliases? How much will that investigative work cost taxpayers? What is the amount of the so-called fine the illegals will pay? How many would-be legal immigrants waiting in line now would gladly pay a “fine” to be able to jump in the front of the line of others? And the biggest insult is the notion of illegals getting in the back of the line. Is it the end of the line that would-be legal immigrants enter while still in their native country? Or is it the end of an imaginary line inside the USA as if the illegals had green cards? We have a backlog in paperwork and processing today while admitting one million legal immigrants each year, but how is it that we have plenty of time and money to process paperwork for thirteen million illegal immigrants, while at the same time, continuing to admit the one million legal immigrants each year? Isn’t it interesting that those proposing amnesties never mention the punishment that citizens will endure with an amnesty, only the suggested “humanitarian” benefit the illegals will receive? Citizen taxpayers are being punished by having to fund the huge cost of public benefits of illegals and their dependents. And every social services dollar going to illegal immigrants and their dependents is one less dollar going to our own poor, since there is not an unlimited amount of taxpayer money. Low-skilled citizens are punished by lost jobs and driven-down wages due to illegal immigration. How humanitarian is it to keep granting amnesties (since the IRCA amnesty in 1986 the USA has granted six “mini-amnesties”) while would-be legal immigrants wait years and years in line? Any action other than illegal immigrants returning to their native country and getting in the back of the line is in fact an amnesty.

Should consideration be given to the so-called “Dream or Achieve” Act amnesty? Both of these are marketed as helping children of illegal immigrants. Children aren’t really deported. They simply follow and go with their parents. 18-32 year old persons are adults, not children. As young adults, those illegally in the USA can go back to their native country to attend trade school or college and/or work legally. The only persons hurt with such an amnesty are young adult citizens who, one for one (as college is a selection process), will be disenfranchised for every illegal immigrant allowed to enroll in a U.S. college or take a job in the USA.
We need to reduce legal immigration and make it much more advanced education-based AND diverse (ten sending countries hog most of the legal immigration slots). More diversity automatically makes it likely that legal immigrants will learn English and not easily reside in ethnic enclaves in America. Use the opportunity of reforming immigration to do welfare reform at the same time. Reduce legal immigration to a total of 150,000 per year until our high real unemployment rate (use U-6 data per the Dept of Labor) is significantly lowered. Why are we allowing nearly one million legal immigrants to the USA each year to include this year, while over 16 million Americans are either unemployed or want and cannot find a full-time job? Maybe we need to listen to citizens instead of the whining of the US Chamber of Commerce and other cheap labor advocates.

We have no shortage of poorly educated citizens who have done and will do manual labor. The highest unemployment rate is for low-skilled and poorly educated citizens. In the case of agriculture, farmers can legally acquire all of the seasonal migrant workers they want through the H-2A visa program (H-2A’s are unlimited, but temporary). We could certainly improve the process for H-2A visas. We should also insist that farmers mechanize where possible, as this is 2014 not 1914.

Our nation must take action against illegal immigration. There are six million illegal immigrants in non-agricultural jobs in the USA. In short, 96% of illegals are in non-ag jobs. With 18 million Americans unable to find a full-time job, insist on “attrition through enforcement” to combat illegal immigration and require all businesses to use the federal E-Verify system to check new and existing employees. Make sure compliance is enforced. This will free-up several million existing jobs now being held by illegals and, with a slightly tighter labor market, increase wages for our low-skilled citizens and help them become the working instead of the working poor! Continue to implement the federal Real ID Act which makes drivers licenses more secure and prevents illegals from acquiring a driver’s license (also helps with voter ID and national security). Who can stay in the USA mid to long term without a driver’s license and a job? Tighten up our borders and complete dual fences on the southern border in areas more easily crossed (dual fences properly constructed have worked on our southern border). The U.S. Supreme Court allows local law enforcement to be involved in immigration enforcement, so continue to encourage the use the DHS’s Secure Communities program. Complete and implement OBIM, the former US VISIT program, to track who enters and then leaves our nation. One third of illegals are visa overstays who initially came here short term with a visa. In total these actions could free-up many of the six million non-ag jobs being held by illegal immigrants and it drastically reduces illegal immigration. These recommendations should be framed for the general public for what they are: a plan to reduce the unemployment rate, help low-skilled citizens who deserve jobs, protect social services dollars for our own poor, free-up education dollars for our own disadvantaged instead of the dependents of illegal immigrants, and improve homeland security.

To recap, less legal immigration being more skill and advanced education-based will create a scenario in which these high-skilled immigrants will help our economy without increasing the unemployment rate. Using the earlier mentioned “attrition through enforcement” to stop and reduce illegal immigration will give low-skilled citizens of all ethnicities a better chance of getting a job, making more money, and saving some of it. To provide an amnesty for 11-13 million illegal immigrants and allow them to acquire legal status or citizenship is just plain wrong. Polls have shown the American voter in general supports the above measures. Our government should listen to citizens and not the cheap labor interests and ethnic-based advocacy groups.

Regards,

Ron Woodard
Director
NC LISTEN
Cary, NC
(919) 460-8156

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NC LISTEN supports a better fix for immigration enforcement

Concerned Citizens and Immigration Reformers,

H.R. 1901, the Strengthen and Fortify Enforcement (SAFE) Act, a bill by Congressman Trey Gowdy and Lamar Smith would enhance national security and public safety through more effective immigration law enforcement within our nation as well as at the borders. It would acknowledge the federal government has the primary responsibility for immigration policy, but preserve the ability of state and local governments to enact and enforce ordinances within certain parameters, allowing them to take action when the federal government does not. It allows and encourages local law enforcement to assist in enforcement. The bill requires local agencies to cooperate with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), but also requires ICE to respond to local government requests to take custody of criminal aliens.

H.R. 1901 would make it easier to remove terrorists, gang members, fraudsters, etc who exploit the existing vulnerabilities of our immigration laws. The SAFE Act would make it much more difficult for dangerous illegal aliens to receive visas, asylum, green cards, citizenship, and other benefits.

The SAFE Act seeks to restore integrity to our immigration system by cracking down on those who game the system by submitting frivolous applications, ignore deportation orders, and other serious offenses to include failing to appear for hearings.

NC LISTEN is against any move to have the U.S. House go to conference committee with their good enforcement House legislation in concert with the lousy U.S. Senate S.744 Gang of Eight amnesty bill and attempt to reconcile legislation. This would only become a polluted piece of legislation. A thoroughbred mixed with a jackass is a mule.

(some of the above language was taken from a report by the Center for Immigration Studies)

Regards,

Ron Woodard
Director
NC LISTEN
(919) 460-8156

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CIS: An Examination of Minority Voters’ Views on Immigration

From the Center for Immigration Studies:

“While it is sometimes assumed that minorities, particularly Hispanics, favor increased immigration and legalization for illegal immigrants, a new Zogby survey finds that minority voters’ views are more complex. The poll of Hispanic, Asian-American, and African-American likely voters finds some support for legalization. But overall each of these groups prefers enforcement and for illegal immigrants to return home. Moreover, significant majorities of all three groups think that the current level of immigration is too high. These views are in sharp contrast to the leaders of most ethnic advocacy organizations, who argue for increased immigration and legalization of illegal immigrants. The survey used neutral language, avoiding such terms as ‘amnesty,’ ‘illegal alien,’ or ‘undocumented.'”

To read the full article and view the poll results, read “An Examination of Minority Voters’ Views on Immigration.

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